Talk:Cards and Runes

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Resolved[edit source]

Got stuck on using "The Moon"[edit source]

I got teleported into a secret room without an exit, because both ajoining rooms were special rooms. I could not bomb myself out of it. Had to quit the game. Have the same problem with "The moon" card, leaving a image for proofs. The seed (B0W6 G9A9) was randomly generated: --Anon

Has been confirmed to be a bug. A nasty one on top of that. --Dooomspeaker (talk) 07:08, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

"Rune of Jera" Item Description[edit source]

The description of this item is very confusing. This is what it is as of now:

Clones all pickups and chests in a room (even shop pickups; the clones can then be picked up for free). Cloned chests will contain exactly the same type of items: if the original contains a pickup, so will the clone; the same is true for Collectibles

What does this sentence mean:

Cloned chests will contain exactly the same type of items: if the original contains a pickup, so will the clone; the same is true for Collectibles

...what is true for Collectibles? I read this as Collectibles will be cloned as exactly the same type of item. However in the editing history the comment says that Collectibles cannot be cloned. --SynVisions (talk) 02:14, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

It clones the loot of the chest. I'd suggest reading the links the description provides. Jera statest that is clones pickups and and NO point ever does it say collectibles. We can't write down paragraphs of text just because some people don't wanna look up destinctions between gameplay mechanics.

--Dooomspeaker (talk) 10:22, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Rune Descriptions[edit source]

I feel we need to add descriptions of individual runes to the Rune table in this page, as they appear in the game, like there already is with the cards ("Abundance" for Jera, "Passage" for Ehwaz, etc)--Specialbro (talk) 00:51, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

I've added this. --Zamie (talk) 04:18, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Extra card[edit source]

I found a red backed card in the Blue womb that reads "? card" and it seems to have doubled everything in the shop like Jera does. MAybe it does a random card/rune effect or something? --Anon

Yes, see Cards and Runes#Special_Cards. --Zamie (talk) 04:18, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Not Unlocked Runes Appearing in Hard Runs[edit source]

been finding blank runes constantly during my runs in greed mode and hard mode, without ever beating challange #30. anyone know why this would occur? --Anon

Is it still happening in the latest patch? --Zamie (talk) 04:18, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Weird Whitespace[edit source]

Why is there so much ugly whitespace before the "Playing Cards" and "Special Cards" sections? Can they be removed? --Zamie (talk) 04:18, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Fixed, the card templates had a bunch of newlines in them. --Exschwasion (talk) 05:00, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Blank Rune Science[edit source]

I've spent the morning testing Blank Runes with Cheat Engine:

  • Total uses: 310
  • Total dupes: 77
  • Percent: 0.248387097

I will update the page accordingly. --Zamie (talk) 18:50, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Greedier mode[edit source]

It seems to me that the combination of Blank Card item + 2 of Diamonds combination is nerfed somehow. I get the item and other cards and runes, but not the 2 of Diamonds. Likewise, I get the 2 of Diamonds and then never get the Blank Card item I did numerous run throughs (about 70) and never got the combination. I will do more run throughs just to be sure, but I'd like to hear if anyone else seemed to have noticed this.

Update: Through Jera and D20 did get the 2 of Diamonds but the odds are still very low

Blank rune question[edit source]

Can blank rune trigger black rune once is it unlocked? -- 21:10, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

No, it cannot. I'll update the page to reflect this. --Zamie (talk) 23:52, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Temperance[edit source]

Temperance spawns a Devil Beggar in Greed Mode.

I can confirm, updating the other page. Edit: How the hell do you edit the table? Can someone else do it for me, it only shows card names if I try to edit. 04:00, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

This is added to the page now. --Zamie (talk) 23:52, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Playing and Special cards' card back[edit source]

I have a serious suspicion, that those cards have a card back that looks the same as, or at least references red "Rider Back" Bicycle cards' card back.

Strength Card and Keeper[edit source]

When playing as Keeper, if he only has 1 health (= 1 coin), using the Strength card - and maybe picking up a coin while it's active - will actually give Keeper 2 health (= 2 coins) even after he leaves the room! -- 20:47, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

This is already noted in the page's notes. --Zamie (talk) 23:52, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Adding info on Jera rune[edit source]

Apparently it doesn't work on items which are affected by "Curse of the Blind". --Anon

I'm not sure what you mean. Jera never affects collectibles. --Zamie (talk) 23:52, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Health up became Health down[edit source]

I just used a Jera card in a room with a Health Up pill on the floor, and it added a Health Down pill. -- 19:45, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

It has nothing to do with the Jera rune. Health Down pills become Health Up if the player is at one red heart container or less. --Zamie (talk) 23:52, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

This is also error[edit source]

Just letting you know

I, uh, see that. Wow. Why's the Wiki broken? It was fine the other day. I'll take a look at the i template. --JokerPixel (talk) 01:39, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Black Rune Testing[edit source]

I'm not sure how to make edits to the Cards and Runes tables myself, but I've done some testing with the Blank Card and the Black Rune and have found that it does the following things:

  • Deals damage to every enemy in the room (mod spider shows -400 as the damage)
  • Consumes all active and passive items on pedestals in the room to give random stat increases/decreases (like the Void does with passive items, but the Rune does not gain the active effects of consumed active items; it just consumes them and gives a stat change)
  • Turns all pickups in the room into blue flies.

Additionally, after using it in the Super Secret Room on a floor, the boss later dropped the Brimstone item. I didn't have Chaos or any other item I know affects item pools, and it was relatively early in the game, so I don't know why it would have happened if it wasn't the Black Rune causing it, but it may have just been a bug. Someone else should test to see if this happens to them.

If anyone else would like to verify my findings and add it to the page for others to see, I would be grateful. Cheers. --Anon

This has been integrated into the page. --Zamie (talk) 23:58, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Ace of Spades not displaying properly on pickup template[edit source]

Putting 'Ace of Spades (Card)' in the template makes nothing show up on the page, and putting 'Ace of Spades' makes it show up, but with the trinket's image. The proper image for the card exists but I can't figure out how to make it show up properly. Jacksoguy (talk) 23:45, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Seems to work fine now. --Zamie (talk) 23:52, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Info not displaying on table[edit source]

I modified the info for the Major Arcana cards and it isn't properly displaying, instead displaying the info the table previously had. Can somebody help me with it? EddiePalu (talk) 18:04, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

It looks fine, did you still need help with this? --Zamie (talk) 23:52, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Regarding wings[edit source]

im just a lost player in a account that wants to share a discover that i did minutes ago:

i was on greddier mode with isaac and used The high priestess card to kill dingle before the second boss apeared, and when i realised, i had demon wings, not the ones that azazel have, this ones have white-like pixels on the ends of the "bones" parts that reasambles to little horns, they disapeared when i went to other room. my items where:

bone baby
pay 2 play
lil chub

-- Previous comment ported from cards page, created by user Maybeacasul

Would you mind elaborating on what happened? Were the wings there before you used the card? Could you provide more details on those white pixels? Anything you can provide would be appreciated. --JokerPixel (talk) 21:56, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Sounds like he had a Bat Wing trinket... --Zamie (talk) 23:56, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Unresolved / New[edit source]

Aces unlock method[edit source]

The method to unlock the ace cards should be shown. Also, the ace of keys is missing--Ginopinoshow (talk) 18:15, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Furthermore, looks like the unlock column for the runes is also empty. --Zamie (talk) 23:58, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

The problem has been fixed for the runes. I do not know how to fix it for the special cards, though --Jollonk (talk) 16:25, 13 January 2020 (UTC)